tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post406832483961868831..comments2024-02-02T10:29:34.789+00:00Comments on A Conservative's blog: Is Bob Piper Toast?Benedict Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-35462516026675256882006-12-17T20:03:00.000+00:002006-12-17T20:03:00.000+00:00At risk of reheating this, Bob had plenty of ethni...At risk of reheating this, Bob had plenty of ethnic minorities complaining about his post before he took it down. Maybe, his words are revealing. A cynic might think that it was because Tories were complaining that Bob refused to take it down and that it was when his boss told him to take it down that he did. <br /><br />Personally, I hold the view that different people's viewpoints should not take precedence over others and that type of unfairness is a heresy. <br /><br />Bob likes to point out the time I spent preparing the post (I've answered this point of this to him elsewhere, but he keeps bringing it up). Aside from having things like work to do, I hope people will appreciate that a rushed and poorly prepared posting dealing with sensitive issues such as race is a bad idea. If nothing else I think this episode proves that at least.Praguetoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16520923731691837948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-35968730295740831962006-12-12T21:01:00.000+00:002006-12-12T21:01:00.000+00:00Benedict White said...
Unity, I agree with you tha...Benedict White said...<br />Unity, I agree with you that history teaching seems to be not that good. The issue is that the teaching of history is a political act and most of the teachers have politics which makes them a bit reluctent to do certain parts of history justice.<br /><br />8:34 PM, December 11, 2006<br /><br />What do you base this on Benedict? The political act in History for teachers comes in the goverment guidelines.<br />I'd guess all teachers have politics but I'd doubt they have much chance of fitting them into History lessons. Lecturers are another case, however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-30400683525785279722006-12-12T19:00:00.000+00:002006-12-12T19:00:00.000+00:00Bob, I can't and won't answer for Prague Tory. How...Bob, I can't and won't answer for Prague Tory. However your last remark does not strike me as the best way of moving on.<br /><br />On the substantive point of using accusations of racism, when I stood for union president, on a non party ticket, with one running mate from Boston (The real one in Lincoln) and the other from Tanzania (of Indian extraction) people close to the Labour campaign seemed to be putting it about that I was racist and homophobic.<br /><br />Please forgive us Conservatives if we object to being painted that way.Benedict Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-23159012406015359382006-12-12T17:36:00.000+00:002006-12-12T17:36:00.000+00:00benedict, I'll accept you are genuine, but perhaps...benedict, I'll accept you are genuine, but perhaps you can explain why PragueTory came on to that posting and commented very early on, with no mention whatsoever that he found the image offensive. It weasn't until 2 hours later after someone else raised it that he suddenly realised he had been offended and the image was 'racist'.<br /><br />I know you will say he can answer for himself... but despite being asked the question, he avoids it. On that basis I will continue to say his outrage was fake... and probably engineered with someone with more brains than him.Bob Piperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792439016502695274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-65244527138682433832006-12-12T16:34:00.000+00:002006-12-12T16:34:00.000+00:00Bob, tahnsk for the post. I don't agree with you a...Bob, tahnsk for the post. I don't agree with you about Prague Tory, but he can defend himself.<br /><br />What does annoy me though is they nudge nudge wink wink pointing at Conservatives as if we are racist. <br /><br />Still never mind.Benedict Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-79936066797241676022006-12-12T16:03:00.000+00:002006-12-12T16:03:00.000+00:00benedict, I don't know what ned has got to do with...benedict, I don't know what ned has got to do with it, but... If I didn't think the Cameron post was racially offensive... why would I think the Howard one was? And vice-versa. As it happens, it was nothing to do with the Leader of the Council, who hadn't even seen the thing when he commented and had just been given a lot of baloney from a journalist. He has accepted entirely my explanation that this was an error of judgement and I have apologised for offending any members of the black community. As indeed has the Chief Executive of Race equality Sandwell. I have a long history of working with Sandwell's minority communities and they fully appreciate PragueTory's fake concern.<br /><br />Finally, I didn't take it down when a lot of white tories started jumping up and down, but I was more than willing to do so when members of the minority ethnic communities in Sandwell asked me to.<br /><br />The second lot I respect, the first bunch were posturing.Bob Piperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792439016502695274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-22941516691163351032006-12-12T00:44:00.000+00:002006-12-12T00:44:00.000+00:00Out from under, Bob does ned to learn to stop digg...Out from under, Bob does ned to learn to stop digging!Benedict Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-91809287617541211882006-12-11T22:56:00.000+00:002006-12-11T22:56:00.000+00:00He's done it before<a href="http://comingoutfromunder.blogspot.com/2006/12/bob-pipers-done-it-before.html">He's done it before</a>Out From Underhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00715648974975970220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-59867433233243880512006-12-11T21:34:00.000+00:002006-12-11T21:34:00.000+00:00Ellee, yes, and they seem to have made him an MP a...Ellee, yes, and they seem to have made him an MP as well. It looks like he may be suffering the same sort of sense of humour failure as Sion Simon did. Ah well.<br /><br />It would have been much better had the picture remained where it was created and people linked to it.Benedict Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-88893169504259660932006-12-11T21:25:00.000+00:002006-12-11T21:25:00.000+00:00I'm delighted to see his local press have picked u...I'm delighted to see his local press have picked up on it too, I hope he can explain this to his constituents:<br /><br />http://www.bobpiper.co.uk/2006/12/promoted.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-85336021422134499292006-12-11T20:34:00.000+00:002006-12-11T20:34:00.000+00:00Unity, I agree with you that history teaching seem...Unity, I agree with you that history teaching seems to be not that good. The issue is that the teaching of history is a political act and most of the teachers have politics which makes them a bit reluctent to do certain parts of history justice.Benedict Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-86659758618294461042006-12-11T19:02:00.000+00:002006-12-11T19:02:00.000+00:00Benedict:
Look up the works of Gianbattista Vico ...Benedict:<br /><br />Look up the works of Gianbattista Vico if that really interests you - I'd start with Isaiah Berlin's biography to begin with and work from there - but yes, I agree, history needs to be viewed in its proper context and not through a modern lens if its to be understood properly.<br /><br />Mind you, most history teaching these days is bloody awful anyway.Unityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718085232700149823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-714330036492941382006-12-11T18:51:00.000+00:002006-12-11T18:51:00.000+00:00Unity, I often wonder about making things of the p...Unity, I often wonder about making things of the past politically correct rather tham viewing them in the context of the times. Interesting debate though. <br /><br />Dexey, I think that may have already been done. You do have to wonder though if you could ;)Benedict Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-5248600512629828982006-12-11T18:46:00.000+00:002006-12-11T18:46:00.000+00:00I'd be happy to make the complaint to the CRE but ...I'd be happy to make the complaint to the CRE but I'm pink and anglo saxon, do I count?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-6454058564512919992006-12-11T18:45:00.000+00:002006-12-11T18:45:00.000+00:00Not as ironic as Adam Boulton's blog, where half t...Not as ironic as Adam Boulton's blog, where half the punters are eagerly discussing the right and wrongs of taking the Black & White Minstrel Show of the TV.<br /><br />Oh dear - always expect the British people to do the unexpected.Unityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718085232700149823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-7845831283284876252006-12-11T16:45:00.000+00:002006-12-11T16:45:00.000+00:00It's been a very "ironic" episode all round.It's been a very "ironic" episode all round.Praguetoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16520923731691837948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-7019741560482538282006-12-11T16:10:00.000+00:002006-12-11T16:10:00.000+00:00Ah, I see. Next to goldie in the periodic table sh...Ah, I see. Next to goldie in the periodic table should our American cousins be wondering :)<br /><br />In which case I may shorten it to minitrue.Benedict Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382732288664789210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30194186.post-69924917813068990862006-12-11T16:06:00.000+00:002006-12-11T16:06:00.000+00:00Yes he does realise that the name is an Orwelliam ...Yes he does realise that the name is an Orwelliam reference, that's why he chose it in a fit of unbridled irony.Unityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718085232700149823noreply@blogger.com